You must be thinking, "Wow! Barrie must be a great place if so many people are moving there!" Can 130,000 people be wrong? YES! Barrie is a dump. It's time people learned the truth about Barrie and stopped looking through rose coloured glasses. Wake up and smell the coffee! You want the truth about Barrie? Sure there are some nice houses and finally some good shopping. But, consider this:
- Barrie is in a snowbelt. I never experienced "snow squalls" until I came to Barrie. A snowsquall is a sudden blizzard with whiteout conditions making for dangerous driving amongst other things. If you like slipping and falling on ice, dangerous driving conditions, shovelling snow, severe weather warnings and alerts from Environment Canada asking you to stay off the roads unless absolutely necessary, seeing your car rust, cleaning snow off your car every morning, then Barrie is for you!
- Prefer summer weather? So do lots of other people. I hope you like looking for shortcuts from May to September to avoid the multitudes of traffic coming up Highway 400 and passing through Barrie. Nice scorching hot, sticky summer days and nights, bugs, insects (some dangerous), heat waves, smog advisories and more. Better have air conditioning and lots of spare time. Count on about half an hour to get across Barrie, if you're lucky, on a good day. If you were on the highway, you could be almost in North York in that amount of time!
- Looking for work? You'd better be OK with minimum wage or about $10/hour. Any jobs paying more than that are few and far between unless you're in a government job, in a high end position with a big company or lucky. Self employed? People in Barrie are cheap. They'll always bicker over the price, go for the cheapest or nothing at all.
- No industry. The Molson Brewery, Volkswagen, Alloy Rims, General Electric, and more have all pulled out of Barrie. Besides new home construction, this is a service industry city now.
- Maybe you're a student going to Georgian Cottage - oops I mean Georgian College. In my experience, most teachers are not well qualified to teach their subject. If they know their subject, they have poor teaching skills or have a problem with attendance. Yes, there are teachers who miss more classes than the students! Don't waste your money on Georgian College. There are much better post secondary educational institutions (in and outside of Ontario).
- The higher paying jobs are in Toronto, whether you're an employee or self-employed. If you're going to drive to the GTA every day, through heat waves, bumper-to-bumper cottage traffic, snow squalls, pile-ups on Highway 400, put lots of wear and tear on your car (at least 50,000 kms per year just to go to work, with about 3 or 4 hours behind the wheel every day), not to mention the cost of gas, you might as well pay more for a house or an apartment in Toronto and save the hassle of communing. I personally know a couple of people who have crashed their cars on Hwy 400 on the way to Toronto. The average Barrie commuter lasts about 5 years on average before either quitting their job, or moving south.
- Barrie has no homegrown touch. Although there are some nice historic buildings downtown, consider that Barrie has doubled in size in the last 15 years. Most places are new, as are most of the residents. You get everything from original bigoted Barrie rednecks, to bad attitude city slickers. Barrie is now a blue collar bedroom community. Although I've met a few nice people, by far most people are are not likable. You get a bit of the worst from everywhere
. - The traffic is a nightmare! They keep widening roads, making new roads, but you still get to sit in heavy traffic on Mapleview (Molson Park) Drive, Bayfield Street, Essa Road, Dunlop Street and even Duckworth Street at times. Heck, if I wanted bottle neck rush hour traffic, I'd just go to Toronto!
- Inconsiderate drivers. They pull out in front of you driving at a snail's pace, even if there was nobody behind you. I guess they figure "oh, he can slow down for me" or maybe they just don't care, or think. Then if you try to pass (when safe and acceptable), they speed up!
- When I first came to Barrie, I had a Québec licence plate on my car and I can honestly say that I got treated better once I got Ontario plates. Oh sure, the Barrie drivers are still up to their normal inconsiderate driving techniques, but at least now when I put on my turn signal to change lanes, the other drivers don't speed up to avoid letting me in (usually). Quebec drivers may be pushy, but Ontario (and especially Barrie) drivers are inconsiderate. Having lived in British Columbia, Ontario and Québec, I can honestly say BC drivers are the best. I can't say much about the other provinces since I have little experience with them.
- Lots of complainers in Barrie. I've never been to a place where people whine and complain so much - whether it's justified or not. Yes, I know I'm complaining too. Barrie did that to me. It's rubbed off on me. I'm one of them now, aaaahhh!!!!
- Barrie is neither a small, nor a big city. Maybe kind of like a suburb, but in the middle of nowhere. You get the inconvenience of being far away from the big city, yet all the negatives associated with one.
- My parents live in an arguably posh area of Barrie (Minet's Point) - if you can actually put the words "Barrie" and "posh" in the same sentence. Yesterday there were a bunch of satanic, gang-style threats painted along wooden fences on Dock Road. The place was crawling with police. Plus of course, you get drugs and crime in Barrie, just like the big city.
- In my neighbourhood - a more working class, family oriented subdivision of newer homes, we get kids trespassing, walking on our lawn, throwing pizza plates, cigarettes, chocolate bar wrappers, chip bags, pop bottles and more on our lawns and street. Of course, they never use the sidewalks. No. They prefer to walk on lawns or on the roads, blocking traffic.
- My car was vandalized shortly after moving in to Barrie (gum all over the windshield). The car was parked in my own driveway in (what I thought) was a newer, respectable neighbourhood. Maybe it was the Québec licence plate? A few months later, someone (probably one of the neighbours) threw eggs at a second story window at the BACK of my house while I was up working on my computer in that room at about 10pm. I was not, and still am not, on bad terms with any neighbours, nor had I even had a chance to meet any of my neighbours yet, back when I had just moved in.
- Not long after that, four police officers took down a guy at gunpoint in my backyard. They chased some guy strung out on drugs or alcohol, armed with a metal pole and finally got him down and in handcuffs between my house and my neighbour's.
- Of course, you still get the local binge drinking population that insist on impaired driving. I've called in a few suspected drunk drivers that couldn't decide if they should be driving up curbs and sidewalks or staying in their lane on Essa Road. For that small town flare, you still get lots of drinking and driving. Just open up the Barrie Advance or Barrie Examiner (aka the Barrie Exaggerator) and there's always a write-up about more impaired drivers.
- Still want to move to Barrie? You must be a sucker for punishment, seriously. It's no longer the bargain it once was. House prices have risen to such a level that it hardly seems like a good deal. About the only good thing about Barrie is that the price of our house has gone up so much that I'm sure some sucker - I mean someone - will buy our house and let us make a killing on it. The sooner the better, before people come to their senses, find out what a hell hole Barrie is and real estate market crashes.
Already living in Barrie? I can't imagine it's the city of your dreams. But, if it is, good for you. Live it up. If not, let's get out of this place!
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I don't know what has happened to you, but talk about bitter. You are not a ray of sunshine, honey. I think you need to read the book "The Secret" and you will realize, that positive attracts positive, happy attracts happy and maybe that's why you are not the happiest person in the world, because maybe your attitude sucks and you might be the type of person who is not happy no matter where you go. GOOD LUCK and please do read The Secret and be open minded. It may change your life in the right direction!
My attitude may suck and you're right, I'm not a ray of sunshine anymore, but the longer I stay in Barrie, the more bitter I get. I really didn't want to live here to begin with. I normally look for the positive in everything, but my patience and open mindedness with Barrie has worn thin. I've given Barrie a chance. It's not like this is the only place in the world, or even in Canada that I can live. I was happy in Montreal and Vancouver and hope to soon be back in one of those cities. Thanks for the suggestion of the book "The Secret."
Barrie has a Prinsess Auto store!
And a Busy Bee!
Well Peter, You should try Hillsdale!
Princess Auto is a neat kind of store. I go there about two or three times per year. Not enough to make me want to stay in Barrie.
Hillsdale..? I don't think so. Too close to Barrie. If I need to go shopping, I'd still have to come to Barrie. Someday I will buy 100 acres and build a house in the middle so that I can get away from it all, but it won't anywhere near Barrie.
I'm sorry to hear that you carry so much negativity towards Barrie. I'm one of the oddballs that absolutely loves winter. I hope that somehow you will find peace while you are still living here and will be peaceful wherever you go.
This reminds me of a story I read or heard somewhere. This, of course, is not verbatim.
A man is looking for a new home in a new town for his family. He stops at the local gas station and asks what the people are like in town. The attendant says, well what were the people like in your town. The man responds that they were miserable, unhelpful and just generally inconsiderate. The attendant responds, well, I'd have to say they're pretty much the same here.
A middle-aged woman is also looking for a new home in this same town and conveniently stops at the same (only) gas station in town and asks the same question of the attendant. The attendant asks the same question and the woman responds that they were friendly, caring, helpful and generally a joy to be around. The attendant say, well, I'm sure you'll find they're the same way around here.
Namasté
Greetings Peter,
I haven't known you for long but our brief encounters at Toastmasters were always enjoyable. As a relative newcomer to the Barrie area - OK, I'm in Innisfil (near Barrie); I have had the opposite experience.
Your information to readers is no doubt factual (I can certainly see that) but you are looking at the cup like it is half empty, not half full.
The suggestions of others about "The Secret" are good ones - it's pretty basic stuff, but it is helpful as a starter. I thought I was going to hear from you about some business I had to have done but I never heard back from you. My business has fourished in the area, but of course my clients are from all over the world. Recognize that you are the creator of your own existence. If you want abundance it really helps to accept what comes your way. It also helps to be positive - likes truly do attract.
I wish you all the best wherever you choose to go.
Regards, Jim
Oh - just another couple of points on why Aileen and I choose the Barrie area. It has fresh clean air - no smog to clog our lungs. We moved from a condo in downtown Toronto and life up here is much "cleaner". Now, when I come home to Barrie from a few days in Toronto my lungs need to clear. It very noticeable. We can get our water from a well - no city induced poison (chlorine). It's quiet and dark at night - we can sleep soundly and awake refreshed. We have wonderful neighbors. I've personally made more friends up here in just over 1 year than I made in the past 30 since I left university. The neighbors look out for each other. Kids love it up here - it's truly a great place for outdoor activities in all seasons. The farmer's market is a great way to get excellent organic foods at a reasonable price - try that one in Toronto. Shopping isn't really limited all that much and with a bit of planning you can travel to Toronto at low traffic times - yes, even on a working day. I do it often. I've met more "spritually aware" people here than anywhere else - and I've lived in many cities across Canada, in the UK and visited many overseas (Australia, Indonesia, etc) for lengthy stays. Barrie and area has a lot more going for it than you may have discovered.
Cheers, Jim
DG and James, glad to year you both like the Barrie area. I know there are some people who love it here. But, Barrie is definitely not for everyone.
You've probably heard the expression "you can never please all of the people all of the time." Barrie being a good case in point.
It's definitely not for me, never has been and probably never will be. I've had far more negative experiences than positive ones here (and believe me, I've really tried to make it work)! Of all the places I've lived in, this is the one I've disliked the most.
Jim, it's great that your business lets you deal with clients from all over. Most of my clients are local, and other small business owners I know from networking and other organizations often echo my sentiments. For certain industries, Barrie is not the place to make decent money. I'm looking at modifying my business plan to deal with clients from other areas too. You and Aileen are decent people. Unfortunately, we didn't meet up again at Toastmasters and then I got tied up with a lot of things and haven't been back.
What some people dislike in Barrie, others love. After almost eight years in Barrie, the longer I stay, the more I find to dislike. It's safe to say, I'm not a good fit for Barrie. My hatred of winter weather will likely never change, and that alone is reason enough. I know there are many other people who share (and who don't share) my sentiments. I think there are people who like Barrie, who dislike Barrie and some who are in between and just put up with it.
Thanks,
Peter.
Nice to see other people who agree Barrie is a dump. I too am looking forward to moving out of Barrie as soon as possible.
Loved hearing how awful your faculty were.... nice. Class act buddy. I hope that if you ever get so sick that you can't get off the floor that people give you a bit of a break and don't bash you and your attendance.
I remember your faculty spending HOURS of extra time working with you, on their own time, no pay, just out of the goodness of their heart, because you were struggling. Too bad you only remember the negative. Your fellow classmates remember things differently I'm sure.
Best of luck. Hope this is acting as a good outlet for your anger. Maybe the conversation will help you see the grey in things, and help you appreciate what you have more...
Lisa, thanks for the reply, although you got it partly wrong... I wasn't taking a stab at you personally (though I know you missed quite a lot of time when I was there, and I hear you also did the following year).
But, you weren't the only teacher who did. (One month, overall, all teachers combined showed up to about 50% of the classes). Teachers in another program (a 3 year post secondary program) also missed a high number of classes, for which we were never reimbursed nor had a make-up class for or any one-on-one help. I will always appreciate the time you took to help, and I'm sure others in the class were also grateful for help you gave them.
A post-grad course is very expensive (about $8000 for two semesters), as is the three year post-secondary course I took there. When teachers miss class, it's hard to make it up (one-on-one is great, sometimes better, but that's not always the same as an actual class). For example, there was one course we got full credit for simply for about one weekend's work on our own.
The other program I was in, seemed to deteriorate each year. Some of the teachers were great, but you're right, it's the negatives that stand out.
Lisa, as a person you're great. You've got phenomenal talent, taught me a lot, and are a great person to talk to. You could make a ton more money in another city, not to mention an arguably better atmosphere. I sometimes wonder why you still stay in Barrie. Good luck, and peace!
Peter,
Wow, I never knew your soft-spoken-self hated anything so much. I think you need a vacation away from town and the negative influences for awhile!
I'm neither here nor there on the subject. Barrie has pros and cons - like every other place to live on the planet. I personally have lived in places much worse.
Winter and snow doesn't bother me. It's a fact of life with where I choose to call home. It's a good thing for all the ski hills around this area or their livelihood would go down the tubes. It also helps renew, wash, and refresh the landscape and cuts down on the mosquito and spider populations for awhile. I would take a major dumping of snow over 110 degree heat for four plus months each year with 80 - 90% humidity and a whole season dedicated to hurricanes any day. What can one do in that season? Nothing but constantly stock up on non-perishables, keep your bathtub clean and filled with fresh, clean water just in case, and pray it's not your time to kiss your butt goodbye. My Mom and a sister live with that threat each and every year. But they choose to remain there. I chose to no longer live there. Get the point? It's a choice where one lives unless you are in some poverty stricken village in the middle of nowhere in Africa and can't get food never mind get out.
If one doesn't like snow then one shouldn't choose to live somewhere where snow is a fact of life. If you prefer, you could camp out in Dinosaur Provincial Park, just north of Brooks, Alberta. It's an absolutely beautiful place tucked down in a valley with hoodoos all around you and a river runs through it. They have such a light dusting of snow that they actually have indigenous cactus that live there year-round. However, when we were there we had 4 tornadoes and a hail storm with hail the size of baseballs and winds so bad that all the 30 foot motor homes lost their awnings. But they didn't have snow.
Having fallen on ice before myself, I can understand that you don't care for it, but they introduced road salt to help with that and proper footwear and snow shovels. If each home owner and business took care of the ice on their facility, then it wouldn't be an issue. But Barrie isn't the only place with this issue. Even Australia gets snow and ice! While inconsiderate city dwellers not bothering to clear the white or frozen stuff from their walkways isn't something those of us living in the country have to deal with until we choose to go into town, instead we get to put up with their vacant lots covered in ragweed and vermin because those same people don't do anything about maintaining the property they'll eventually build their retirement dream home on either. It's just a place out of sight and out of mind to them. But to us it is our next-door neighbour and a cause for illness for individuals who suffer from such allergies.
Having lived in Toronto, Florida, Montreal, Toronto again, Inglewood, Orangeville, Barrie, and now 30 minutes outside of Barrie, I prefer the fact that we have 4 seasons here. Or should I say 3, as we don't really have a spring anymore. But my feelings about that should probably be aimed at Global warming or perhaps God decided that this would speed summer along much faster for those complaining about Canadian winters. There is no point in me complaining about the heat and humidity because it's not going to go away unless I choose to live in the North Pole. Summer is too hot for me. Hence one of the reasons why I left Florida. Florida is full of uneducated individuals with both white and black skin. I am not prejudice and have wonderful black friends, but when African-Americans sitting in the same class, with the same teachers, and the same books as I do, don't have to pass literacy tests because their skin is darker than mine and because someone a couple hundred years ago was a slave in their family is a reason for them to not be educated is absolutely ridiculous. Those specific individuals choose not to learn. This is the Florida that the tourists don't see.
Speaking of people wearing pj's in the mall... the curler and pajama wearing individuals who were all pregnant by age 12 that I had to go to school with and the cut-offs and no shoe wearing individuals in the bank were other reasons why I left Florida. The fact that they knew nothing about anyone or anything outside of Florida or the US would be another. Being asked what State Canada was in or if we lived in Igloos and ate snow covered in Maple Syrup for dessert - by people who were transplanted from Wisconsin - was interesting at first, but got old fast. Then there are the hand-sized spiders to deal with. Then again there was the fact that several of my friends died in the US Marine barracks in Beirut and that a military helicopter set down in the parking lot of where I worked so that they could inform his mom that he was dead. Or my boss committing suicide with a 44 because guns are so easily obtained that grocery stores should start putting the ammunitions aisle beside the bulk food aisle, so that one can save gas while out shopping. My point? Trust me, there are places worse than Barrie, that are still part of the so-called civilized world. I had no choice in moving to Florida and staying there for many years because I was a kid. But once I was old enough, I chose to get out! I didn't stay and give myself an ulcer over hating it so much.
And Montreal... I really didn't like it there. Getting a job as an English only speaking individual is almost impossible. But French only people can get a job anywhere. Thank goodness for English newspapers.
I'm not saying that you aren't justified in your feelings about Barrie or the area where you live. I moved out of Barrie because I lived in the south-end (Essa and Mapleview) and couldn't handle the 10 children per square foot. I'm just saying that perhaps the feelings of others have rubbed off on you and now you can't see anything positive about it. I once had a job that I thought was great until one of my co-workers bashed it day in and day out for months. It didn't take too long for me to have the same attitude. I chose to quit because she brainwashed me into thinking it was so bad. You know when my coworker finally left? Several years later when the company folded. She chose to hate it for a long time and made sure that those around her felt the same way, but she never made the right choice to get away from it.
So, if Barrie is that piece of sand under your contact lens, then you need to choose to flush it out. But trust me. You can find the same list or a new list of things to hate about every place to live unless you get hooked on some kind of hallucinogens and live in a fantasy land.
Perhaps a vacation to a slum in India would change your mind about where you live?
The whole point is unless you are too young or physically or mentally incapable to live on your own, which I know first hand that you are not, then to stay around in a place where you are not happy is your choice to do so. Get away. Go take a trip to find other towns with possibilities. But don't sit around and complain about where you are or you are going to make yourself physically ill. Pack up and move. If I could move from Florida back to Canada on my own when I was 19 or so, leaving a job that was great and paid well, and leaving my mom and sister, to go "home" where I had no job to go to and knew no one, then you, being self-employed in a business that is needed everywhere and where your clients could be anywhere in the world can certainly find some other place to go. Use your time finding this haven for yourself instead of finding the negative about every little aspect of where you currently live. You're going to make yourself sick and your haven is going to be a hospital bed. The up side is that the new RVH is certainly better than the old.
Keep your chin up Peter and get over the whole Georgian College issues. I went through them too, remember? Move on. Find a project to get involved with.
I've only been to Florida on holiday. Nice place for a visit, but like you say, maybe not for living. But, to each their own!
If you're OK with the Barrie weather and such, that's great. I can't handle it. Never have like snow or cold weather.
Despite that, I liked living in Montreal. The winter wasn't as harsh as in Barrie, though still not very enjoyable. I do speak French fairly fluently, as well as of course English, so finding a job there wasn't an issue for me.
I've tried to make Barrie work, and have finally decided that I've tried enough and it's time to move on, or back to a place I like.
Hey Peter,
Barrie has its pros and cons, but looks like you have decided to hate Barrie. Yes it lacks in entertainment , new houses coming up, etc, but compared to Toronto, I envy you. Just one year in Barrie and I saw it change. Everyday there would be for sale signs, it can no longer be called Cottage Country. Yes that is what I was told Barrie is called when I first came to Canada. But two years in Toronto and I consider you lucky to be staying in Barrie.
Fresh clean air, morning walks and Barrie Transit is what I miss the most. If you greet the employees of Barrie Transit, they greet you back, in Toronto that is rare.
Talking about faculty being absent, atleast they would email before we left home, so that we could go late, last semester I had a faculty absent for a week, who did not email at all, everyday I went to class at 8 am, just to find a note on the door saying the class is cancelled.
Everybody has their own perception of Barrie, hope you do find a place that you would love to live in.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone.
But, if you don't have something NEGATIVE to say, then don't say anything at all!
This is a blog to discuss the downsides and frustrations of Barrie, NOT to point out what you like about it or that you love Barrie or how it's better than some other place. But, if it really makes you feel better to try and disprove me, then go ahead. I can delete any comments I like (though none have been deleted to date).
I sorry to hear about your hate of Barrie, but personally as an Urban Explorer, I'm loving it due to all the abandonments . . .
www.urbexbarrie.blogspot.com
Hi Peter,
I lived in Barrie for 15 years, and moved back to Richmond Hill last March. I agree - the driving sucks the life right out of you, the city is growing in leaps and bounds, but there's no infrastructure to support it, or any real planning. It's a shame what Barrie has become. But my neighbours are why I stayed so long - great people who we really enjoyed having as neighbours, and who we're still in contact with.
When the next recession hits, Barrie will take it on the chin, and all the people who can barely afford their homes now will be in a perilous state. But don't be entirely negative - people are what make any city, and there's plenty of good people in Barrie - take the time to get to know them, and maybe your experience will be more positive..
Copysix, yes there are some interesting abandonments in Barrie. I'm not sure there's a right way to answer that - so before I offend anyone I'll stop there! (PS: I like taking pictures of those kinds of things too).
Anonymous from Richmond Hill - good choice on moving back to Richmond Hill. From what I've seen of it and know of it, that's a nice, prosperous area. The infrastructure seems better too.
Of the neighbours I know on my street, most of them are great! There are some nice people in Barrie, but the negative experiences detract from the positive ones. There's only one person in my general vicinity that I don't care for, but none of the other neighbours do either!
Again, Barrie may be the right match for some people. For others, (like me), it's definitely the WRONG match! Others may fall in between and tolerate it.
I'd also be curious to see how the real estate market reacts when the next recession hits. Looks like it's leveling out already. On my street there are 40 houses. The street is six years old. We've been here three years and approximately 20 houses (that's 50%) have been resold - some more than once! Every year, the prices go up, but this year they seem to have stabilized.
Hi Peter,
You're right about the housing prices - they're levelling off, at least for now. Having the GO train back will help, but in the long run, only meaningful industry and jobs can sustain the city. Commuters are realizing just how expensive it is to ling and work so far apart - there are more articles everyday about the true cost, and it's only going up. I visited Barrie a few weeks ago (I'm the one who moved to Richmond Hill last year), and the city continues to sprawl, anything anywhere. A new community centre is being built close to where I used to live (that figures!) which says the city is aware of some of the needs of the residents. But just wait until the economy slows and people struggle to pay the house and the huge gasoline bills. It's going to get ugly.
Have a great day, and go for a bike ride down by the bay - it's one of the things I miss...
Yes, people are discovering that it's not really worth the hassle to get a deal on a house in Barrie and commute to Toronto. Toronto has the good paying jobs, Barrie has more affordable real estate (though not quite the bargain it once was).
Two of my friends have recently moved to Toronto. One was just this weekend. At first I thought it was crazy to pay over $1000/month rent on an apartment in Toronto, but the alternative was him paying $750/month in Barrie and spending $400 a month on the GO Bus to commute to Toronto for the higher paying job. That was cheaper than driving a car, paying for gas, insurance, parking, repairs, etc. Not to mention 3 to 4 hours on the road each day for the commute.
Looking forward to moving myself!
You forgot to mention... the city councel is corrupt. the police are corrupt, it is also the crack capital of Ontario. The taxi industry is regulated by a bunch of high-school drop-outs called municiple by-law officers. What can they do to protect the public? Nothing! The city (notice lower-case c) collects a shit load of taxes (higher than T.O) and does nothing with it. Somehow it just dissapears ;) And yet every year they raise the taxes 3 to 5% and still no change in the lack of service to the community. I wish I was one of the councellor's pockets; I would be rich.
The streets WILL destroy your car. Even brand new roads are a roller-coaster ride and have pot-holes within a few months. City councell is obviously going the cheap. There is absolutly NO city plan whatsoever. Developers do what they want as long as they pay the city what they want (that is all they want). Hell anyone can do what they want as long as the city makes money off it. Barrie, I think, was a typo... the real name is Barrio. This is the Barrio of Ontario. In the early days Barrie was kept a secret from visiting dignitaries from England. It was considered a big embarrassment; nothing but drunken brawls and general scum. It realy hasn't changed. The most popular actvity in Barrie is go to the clubs to pick fights with anyone; ideally everyone. You DO NOT want your children to grow up here!!!!!
I can't help but agree with you, whoever you are. Without going on a rant or slamming Barrie (because I've done enough of that in the past), I'll just say my new motto: Barrie is not for everyone! ;)
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